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Summit Opening by Shaunak Roy [Learner Engagement Summit]

Brianna Bannach  0:05  
Hi, everyone. Welcome to the learner engagement Summit. We're super excited you're joining Yellowdig's first virtual conference. I'm Brianna Bannach Yellowdig's marketing team lead. And I've had the pleasure of leading the coordination of the next two days with the help of my wonderful team. Before I introduce Shaunak for the official summit opening, I wanted to give a quick overview of the next two days with a few important reminders. This morning is a bit of a whirlwind. After I go through a few logistics, Shaunak will give his some opening remarks. And then we will all hop on over to the second session where Mark Milliron the president and CEO of National University will get us into the right mindset for the next two days with his morning keynote titled The New possible in education. Following Mark's keynote, I encourage you to stick around for the education 3.0 connecting the learning experience roundtable. This roundtable has been almost seven months in the making, as it is the concluding event in Shauank Roy's webinar series by the same title. If you're interested in hearing from leaders on the future of education, I encourage you to stop by this session and also dropped by the booth by the same title in the expo hall. After that session, I'm very excited to share that we'll get to hear from a Michigan University students perspective on orientation during the session at 1pm. Eastern time. And then we'll dive into engagement in lots of different subject areas and for many other perspectives throughout the rest of the two days. The more sessions you attend, the more likely you are to win a raffle, and learn something new and hopefully be inspired to engage your students in meaningful and fun ways. Aside from all the sessions to choose from, I highly encourage you to hop into the exclusive community for summit attendees, where we can have meaningful conversations about all things engagement, and continue the conversation from your sessions. I've already seen some great conversations started in there over the past few days. You can also continue the conversation and network in the lounge that will be open 24/7 The next two days. Last but not least, please take a moment to explore the expo hall and stop by during the scheduled times to meet the team members in the booths. That's enough for me, I'm excited to introduce you to shonagh Roy Yellowdig founder and CEO, Shannak graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering from IIT Bombay and completed his graduate studies at MIT. He is now the visionary leader of Yellowdig. Welcome Shaunak

Shaunak Roy - CEO, Yellowdig  2:25  
thank you so much very, you know, firstly, if those of you who are joining it's, it's a big, you know, kind of big thank you to the marketing team to put this session of this summit together. You know, before I start, I just wanted to kind of say a few things about how this summit has come together. It all started with a conversation that we had probably a year back in Philadelphia, we are getting out of the pandemic. So we decided to have an in person meeting, we had a few of our board members, Mark Milliron was there. And we thought about you know, as an education company, working with so many colleges and universities, how do we kind of, you know, be a catalyst for driving innovation in this space? Of course, we build a product, we work with so many wonderful partners. But how do we do can we do more than that. And this idea came that we could probably create a community of practice where people who are passionate about education, student engagement, things that we care about. If you can bring those people together in a forum, it will be exciting. So right from there, that one conversation led to a series that Bri, Ravi, and us we started about six or seven months back, we call it Education 3.0 Connecting the Learning Experience where you know, I invited leaders from variety of aspects of education, I had wonderful conversations. If you're interested about that series that still in YouTube, you can write to us, we'll happy to share more about it. And then we thought that maybe we should put together a summit where we will invite people who are excited about student engagement, learner engagement as the topic and see what happens. And of course, based on the wonderful work that our team has done, including our marketing team, we now have this wonderful two days that we are going to spend together to talk about a lot of interesting things. You know, some of it is going to come from our team, some of it is from our partners who are working on similar projects so So with that, I wanted to just make a point that you know, one conversation can lead to this kind of a wonderful event that we are going to have hopefully in the next couple of days and and kind of you know spend some time together. So hello, whoever is joining I'm seeing some comments kind of starting to flow in into our webinar chat. If you are spending the your valuable time to listen to this summit, please do comment say something about us. Tell your name, the institution that you're part of where you're from, you know, many of us are from the US. So hopefully, it's morning, if you are kind of dialing in from outside the US, please share which country which university, which institution you're part of. We would love to have this very engaging conversation over the next two days. So hopefully you will find it very helpful. With that, let me dive in. I'm going to share my screen and you know, start the summit with a with a presentation.

Before we get started, I wanted to, I thought that you know, many of you have not probably heard about Yellowdig. We have been around for the last eight years. So we have a quick two minute video to showcase what work we have been up to over the last eight years. So listen to it, and then hopefully, the my presentation will make more sense.

Video  6:10  
Over the past 15 years, social media has become an essential part of our lives, for better or for worse. So in 2015, we decided to bring the dynamism gained fullness and connectedness of social media, to your classroom. We started with a mission, we want to turn every classroom, boot camp, or organization into an active learning community. Whether they are in person, online, or hybrid. We gave our mission a name. Yellow, the color of intellect combined with dig to inspire learners to dig deeper to turn over to one earth and uncover more knowledge and new perspectives. And finally, we got down to business. First, we made sharing limitless. This made it easier to engage all types of learners visual, aural logical, and everything in between. Came up with innovative ways to declutter your time and connect over shared interests. We invented our signature patented score system displays grades in real time, so students can always know where they stay in and throughout the course. It also passes grades seamlessly to most learning management systems, which saves instructors a ton of administrative work. We crafted a platform that brought 10s of 1000s of learners from the back rows of their classrooms to the center of the conversation. Simultaneously, we redefined the roles of instructors from graders to informed community moderators driven by yellow takes robust analytical tools. Thanks to our expanding list of features, it was never meant to be a game changer, just an ambitious platform to modernize. But it turns out, once you give students the means to speak, in a safe space that they enjoy using, share and discuss and learn from one another,

which is a game changer after we believe that everyone deserves to every educator deserves to inspire.

Learning happens when we're

learning together.

Shaunak Roy - CEO, Yellowdig  8:37  
Wonderful, so hope that gives you a little idea about who we are and what we do. You know, this video was put together by our team, and glad that it was completely internally done. You know, with that I wanted to kind of start by a court that you can read here, which is education is not the transfer of knowledge, but the transformation of the learner. You know, about a month back, I was on a podcast where you know, people have asked me over the years that What does Yellowdig stand for? Or what is our belief system? And it often happens that you say something that comes out and you know, you kind of really start thinking about it that why is that something kind of sticking in our head and it was striking to me for a while and I was thinking that why is this statement that I kind of said in the podcast is so important to me and then more I think about it more I realized is that I truly like the word transformation. In all of us who have been in education for a long time, we all know the powerful impact of transformation of our students, that it has to kind of move them through social structures and you know, people coming from different parts of the world and assimilating into new cultures. You know, myself being you know, when I grew up, you know, I came from India when I did my undergrad. Then I came to the US and you know, it was I lucky enough to have a family who supported me, and then I was lucky enough to be in some institutions that helped me to reach where I am today. And this is something that excites me personally. And I know it excites our team. And as we come together and have conversations around student engagement, one of the things that I would like to kind of focus on and then have more conversation on is, how can we transform lives of people. And that is where I would see that education, the future of education is heading. One of the things that, of course, comes to our mind is that, you know, transformation of lives are difficult to do if you are, if you're a teacher in a classroom, you know, teaching to 50 students is one thing, but changing lives of those 50 students is quite different. We all know that we are passionate about it, but how difficult it could be to relate to individual students so that they are heard they have a voice. And they truly can benefit from the education that they're receiving, to go to the next level in their lives. But if there is one thing I want to kind of point out in my talk today is that education has come to a point now, where we think that we can essentially use technology in the best ways possible to you know, transfer lives at scale. And I know that's a big statement. You know, that's something that is debatable. And I would like to get to make a point today, hopefully, throughout the presentation, that actually some examples, how we can use technology in the best possible ways to transfer lives. This picture is of a classroom, as you can see, and I'm sure that most of you either have taught courses or have sat on the student side. And, you know, one thing that comes to my mind that, you know, everybody loves a good lecture. You know, we love a good tech talk. And we love to kind of listen to good content. But we also know that, you know, just listening to good content does not make the changes that we've hope our learners will go through, through learning happens, where learners are discussing that content, processing it, engaging with others around that content, applying that knowledge into the real world scenarios that they're in, and even having debates on those topics. And that's very hard to do. If you're an educator, you, you know that how difficult it is to engage learners in a classroom environment like this, you know, there are simple constraints, there are only a couple of times people meet in a week, you only have so much time that you can meet, you know, get attention from Alana. So within that timeframe, how do we really drive engagement. So as a result, you know, one of the things that we see is that there is an overemphasis on content, where, you know, we do spend a lot of time on content that we want to create that engages learners. And then we try to figure out ways to transfer that knowledge to the learner and do assessments. I mean, that's the predominant model of learning design. One of the things that I would like to point out is that education and in terms of using technology can have a huge role to play in driving that engagement that we are talking about. And why is that important? Many of you have heard about this rule called 7020 10 Rule, which was published about 20 years back based on studies that was done with managers who go through formal training. And what it says is that only about 10% of learning happens through formal training. And about 80% out of that 20% happens through social interaction where you know, learners are interacting with one another, and about 70% of learning is tied to actually applying that learning into the real world scenarios. I think this makes intuitive sense. We can always debate if these numbers are exactly who they are, of course, this was just a survey done with managers. And it these numbers could be different if you do redo the survey now. But the point is that we all know that the value that engagement oriented learning can bring to our learners in terms of making sure that those learnings actually stick. So how do we do it in reality? And I want to tell you a story, a story of apple juice. Now you must be wondering, Where does apple juice come in this picture? Now, this is an example of a post that one of our students made in a organic chemistry class. So we took exactly the post. We of course change the names for privacy reasons. And I want to talk about what does engagement mean it's not just the quantity of engagement often we you know, sometimes really think about How many times students are attending classes, they're listening to lectures, listen to videos, logging into their online systems and counting that numbers predominantly kind of make sense that okay, the student is actually coming and engaging with whatever they're being taught. But what I want to point out here is that the type of engagement, which is so crucial, so getting back to apple juice, so I will actually get into this post a little more carefully. So. So this is how the student Nicola starts her one single post the contribution, she says that, okay, I just found something really cool. Now, imagine that, you know, she's in a organic chemistry class, and how often students talk about, they found something really cool, the joyful. And we all know that when we are joyful, we are much open to actually learn new things. And then she goes about saying that, you know, she was drinking apple juice in her dorm. And suddenly she thought that, oh, I'm taking this organic chemistry class, what is Apple just made up that we all know it's organic content, but we don't know exactly what it's made out of. So what she did is that she went to Google, and she searched about apple juice. And she found all the different organic compounds that are made out of averages. So like, for example, glucose, and sucrose, and all blah, blah, blah, all kinds of organic chemicals are part of it, and she was finding about it. But the interesting part is that not just what she learned, but she took an action based on something she experienced outside of the classroom. And then she's sharing about it to their classmates kind of building mastery around that topic. And applying that topic like essentially into apple juice. So what's interesting here is that Nicole, who is sitting in this organic chemistry class, suddenly is connecting what she's learning in the classroom to what she's seeing in the real world. And then she goes on to say that what I've thought was really interesting, which means that she's deeply reflecting about what she's learning that apple juice is made out of only three compounds, which is hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon. So we all probably know that if you have taken organic chemistry, but this is something that often students miss out, because you know, when they're studying a subject, and you can kind of zone out from organic chemistry, they're focusing on what they're learning, but they're not quite decomposing it to see how that applies to the world. They're living in kind of really starting to make sense, based on what they're learning and how it applies to other things that they know about. And, and this is happening here in this post, quite naturally, nobody asked Nicole to go and do these things, but she's actually doing it on her own. And if you see your friend Cassidy, who is in the same class, she basically jumps in and says that, by the way, great to learn this thing, she learned something new. And she said, I have not tried apple juice for a while. I'm going to try it next time. So she's building relatedness to one another. So what I want to point out here, is that not the engagement, if you want to count this engagement, it will be one post and one comment. But I think that the interesting part in this thing is the type of engagement, the type of environment, the type of feeling that the students are creating, and how they're building knowledge in that engagement is what is interesting. Now, the question is that how does it happen? Now, this is an Yellowdig. Post, how did we make this happen in the platform now, if I would expect the learning, there's something I would like to point out is

many of you probably have heard about this theory, which is called self determination theory. This was written about by Richard Ryan and Edward Si, about a couple of decades ago, I think, late 90s, early 2000s, they put out a paper and then they put a book about it. And they talk about concepts like agency, mastery, relatedness. These are the concepts that drive intrinsic motivation, where if a student has more agency around what they can talk about when they're learning, they're more motivated. So in the case of Nicole, she suddenly felt agency to talk about apple juice, nobody told her to talk about apple juice, but the environment was created there, she actually could talk about apple juice and, and magic started happening. Mastery, which is where she started learning about apple juice and kind of started learning all the compounds are in rapid use, and relating it, whether there are people who are also kind of really talking about the real life. So it's not something which is magical, or something very theoretical. So what I want to point out is that if you if you are a fan of engagement, I would love you to definitely take a look at this book because there are plenty of good ideas that you might be able to apply to other kinds of things that you're designing for your learner's to get them more excited more, you know, motivated in what they're learning. Now, this comes to this concept, which is what is learning environment? In a lot of the times we focus on the content of learning environment, which is what is what we are going to teach, but then there is content within which the learners are learning, and there is a community with which we are discussing these concepts. So this is the three C's that we talk about. And I first heard about this from Mark Milan, who we are going to listen to right after me. He came up with this, or he gave me this idea. And I kind of latched on to that I love these three C concepts. And I would encourage you to think about designing learning environments, which are essentially around context, content and community. Now, going back to the what's the role of technology in doing all of this? You know, the first role of technology is, technology is only part of the solution. Because unless we truly understand the motivational aspects of learning, and why students would engage, and what are the benefits of that engagement, technology is not going to move the needle much. So I think that's the first realization, which is where we as a company have benefited tremendously by partnering with our institutions to kind of really have these kinds of dialogues around what drives better learning, because we all want that for our students. The other part of technology is something it really opens up engagement. So this is data from our platform. Over the last three months, the left chart shows you at what time during the day, and in what our students are engaging on our platform. And the data on the right side shows from where they're engaging. So you know, when I talk to you in the classroom, the biggest constraint is we have only a couple of hours with students in the classroom and outside, we don't have that much control. But if you can design the right environments, students will engage and they can engage anytime. So that really opens up possibilities of engagement, like the conversation that Nicole and Cassidy was having, it won't be possible without that asynchronous part of engagement, which is can we design it to classroom learning. And of course, geography, we all know, we are living in this online world, especially in online and hybrid environments, students can be anywhere. So you know, we are primarily in the US right now. But you can imagine students coming from anywhere they're traveling, and they still remain engaged with their classmates and their professors. The other thing I want to point out is this is a study that University of Tampa did published based on research that they did on our platform. And the thing I want to point out is that in offer, of course, we believe in what we're building we are building, because we get good feedback around it. But how do we know it's actually driving learning outcomes? So we make data available to any of our partners who are willing to do studies on our on our pedagogy or our approach? So our partners at University of Tampa, you know, they published a study where they looked at student feedback across a nine dimensions, as part the ELLs instrument results method. And what's interesting is that a lot of the questions that you will see here, which is is this platform is to learn, is it positive? Is it natural, effective, clear, supportive, pleasing, easy. These are all feelings that the students have feeling whether this is a really kind of inviting learning environment or not. And what I found interesting is that, you know, sometimes students might feel that this is additional work, like I can just learn about organic chemistry or whatever subject I'm learning, why do I have to now talk about my experiences, it turns out that if if students get the opportunity, they actually like it a lot. And they say good things about it, at least this study proved it. And we are looking to do more studies like this. So if you're interested to work with us, in any sort of research capacity, definitely reach out to our team, we are always excited to partner with our institution on these kind of studies. And okay, by the numbers. So, you know, we also wanted to look into, you know, how easily are we scaling this kind of a pedagogical method, and we found that in 2020, alone, we had over 10 point 2 million posts and comments on our platform, each post and comment is essentially the discussion that I just shared with you. So imagine how many learning moments that can be created. And if you use technology to drive this type of engagement, each post had 733 words on average. So these are not your IV kind of posts, they're actually talking about the subject matter in a meaningful way. 95% of the contributions were from the learners where the instructors were only posting about 5% of the content majority was coming from the learners. And each post had about 3.6 comments on average across the board. So some of those posts will have 10 to 15 comments. Some of them may not have enough comments, but on an average about three comments. So if there's one thing that comes out of this data, I want to say is that, you know, students are actually willing to engage naturally if they really get the right environment for them to engage with and this data proves it To a large extent, so it's so this is something that we have any intention about. And, of course, we are going to also digging into these numbers and making sure that, you know, the engagement is the right type that we would like. This is the list of partners that we work with we, we are fortunate to work with over 150 colleges, universities, k 12 schools, which are research institutions, corporate training programs at this point, we have impacted over half a million learners at this point, and we are growing. You know, one thing I would say is that, you know, this would not have been possible to come to this point without the support and collaboration from our partners, you're going to listen to many of them present today. Not all, of course, and not everybody's listed here. But only some of them are listed here. But many of them are doing amazing work with our data in the way they can think about student engagement. So we are really glad to have this partnership that we have formed and we continue to form new partnerships going forward. You know, one of the things I wanted to talk about is that how do we measure impact of this type of engagement where students are taking much more active role in their learning, we found that, you know, we group these impacts in three areas, essentially around deeper learning for the students, time saving and energize experiences for faculty members. And finally, for students success, greater persistence and completion rates. We do quarterly end of semester surveys where we ask students about their experience with this type of learning. So some of this data is from a service that we have done. And some of these data's are from reports that we have published with some of our partners, so they have published and we have taken those numbers from there. So. So on an average, about 90% of the students actually like this kind of 95%, almost like this kind of learning. And they also feel a lot more connected to their peer group, as opposed to not being connected to their peer group. Instructors often tell us that, who use our platform that they find it very energizing when we get to meet instructors who doesn't like to hear from the students. And one of the problems we solve for them is they actually hear from the students on our platform. And finally, I would say is that from Student Success point of view, we are seeing good uplifts in terms of improvement in persistence from coast to coast, as well as completion of courses, which drives better outcomes for the institution's better ROI from the investments that they make in these types of solutions.

The other thing I wanted to point out is that we as a company, we started with really solving for Course Based Learning where we want to make sure that the learners are engaged deeply into the subject matters when they're taking a course could be any course from any department. But very soon we realize is that the connections and engagement doesn't have to start with a cold start or even end with a course and so many of our partners came to us and kind of gave us ideas around building engagement outside of courses. So as a result, we have expanded our solutions to other areas of the student lifecycle, right from pre enrollment. From the point the student is deciding to come to an institution or they have decided but quite yet haven't started taking courses. And we see a lot of students melt during this phase of their lifecycle because they're not quite engaged. They don't quite understand why they want to go to the institution to the point when they start taking courses, but they still want to connect with the departments much more deeply or they would want to have greater relationships in areas that they are interested in clubs, mentorship groups and other kinds of communities that can be formed around their formal learning till the point when they graduate and become alumni of the institution, but still would want to be have some sort of relationship with the school. So, there are so many ways one can build these kinds of connections and relationships across the lifecycle. And the good news for us is that over the years, we have evolved a platform and are offering to actually solve and provide very specific solutions for each lifecycle. So, our product and our approach remains the same but how we essentially deploy the product as well as onboard our clients and measure success is quite different because these are very different phases of the lifecycle. And what we are happy to report that you know, we are seeing tremendous amount of success based on this type of approach. So where are we heading with Yelowdig going forward? You know, as I So we have impacted over half a million learners over the last six or seven years now. And on a yearly basis, we are impacting close to 400,000 learners, and that's going about 40 to 50% a year now. But as you know, you know, there are over 100 million students around the world, and many of the students are living in environments where they do not have the right kind of opportunities to interact with their peer group, often they might be living in other scenarios where they just don't have that opportunity, they don't live very far to the rural community could be some parts of the world where people are very isolated. We see those scenarios play out. And we also see, sometimes people are sitting in the same classroom with the peer group, but just don't have those relationships. That's also happening very frequently these days, especially after the pandemic, where mental health and people are feeling a lot more disconnected, and, you know, five, or 10, or 15 years back. So our mission is to grow this type of a pedagogy to a lot more students around the globe. And we want to do that by working with our partners with educators like yourself, who are excited about building the future, which is much more equitable, and much more balanced for students to engage with one another online, which doesn't cost a single dollar, it could be done very easily and efficiently. So that's our vision. And I what I would love to do is to kind of see opportunities to collaborate with people and institutions who are excited to build this feature together. And one of the things I want to point out is our team takes pride in partnering with our educators so that we can create a partnership where we are learning from one another, we as a technology company in building products and solutions and seeing data across the board. And our partners who have deep knowledge and expertise in their own institution or type of learners or degrees, that there are programs that they're offering. I think that deeper partnership is what drives the outcomes that we have seen so far. So which is why we are very excited to host this summit for the next two days. And I'm very pleased to open this summit to all of you. But this is the summit is for you to interact with your peer groups across various institutions. We have over 1000 members who are joining this summit. So please do go say hi to everybody join the summit, do join the sessions. As much as possible. There is a video as soon as you get out of this session, you will see how to find sessions, how to find speakers, and join the sessions very easily. I just wanted to point out what's coming up in the next couple of hours. We have Mark Miller on who is going to do the opening keynote for us, right at 11am ESD, in about 10 minutes, definitely join his session. You know, Mark is one of our advisors and board members and also has a vast experience in higher education. Right after that. I'm doing a panel with six leaders of higher education who comes to different walks of life in higher education. And we want to tackle this subject of student engagement, how to transform education. So you might have some get some really good ideas from them. Please come ask questions, we will relay those questions to you. Right after that we have two packed days. We have panels on business language learning instructional design using Yellowdig. If you're a yearly customer, if he if you want to try it out right out, you can learn all about it. We have presentations on online learning community building regular and substantive interaction. If you're interested in that topic, we have a focused session on that. We have keynotes from Tom Cavanagh from UCF. And Richard is from Capella University, today and tomorrow. So those going to be fascinating conversation, I'm looking forward to that. And please do not forget to stop by the booths. We have our team in one of the booths, we have some other companies and institutions who are going to be there as well. We have a community that we have set up which is only our day. So if you want to give it a try, you can just join the community and start to talk to one another, which doesn't have to stop in the next few days. We also have Lounge, which is you know, situated by one of our partners in scribing in space and they can you can go and actually have live conversations with your peers there. So what I would say is that please don't be shy. You know, we are trying to catalyze conversations around student learning through engagement, all these wonderful topics. And we would love you to actually engage with one another as much as possible and hopefully there's somebody is going to be a valuable investment of your time. With that I am going to, you know, kind of bring this talk to an end. I just wanted to see, by the way, I'm looking at the chat right now. I see people from Arizona, from Florida, from so many other places. I'm glad that you are joining and hopefully finding some value out of this conversation. If you have any questions, please post it. So that we can have I can try to address some questions if you have any. I see some Chicago from National University coming in as well. London, UK. Wow. Awesome. Orlando, Indonesia. That's amazing. And you know, being a community based learning platform, we are always excited when we have people who are joining us, our community and probably building more relationships with one another. So it's constant Mexico, South Florida. Amazing. So I'm really glad that many of you decided to join this session, New York, Texas, Homestead, Florida. That's great. San Diego, Alabama. So yeah, I mean, I can go on and on and on, it almost is going to create a map by itself. And I'm so amazed to see this in all this coming together. And you know, one of the things I also probably wanted to mention this is that we really hope this becomes a community of practice around student engagement and topics that we are all excited about. So please do join our community so that you can remain in touch. And if you want to be more involved, please reach out to our marketing team. So that they can essentially make sure that keep you updated on all the events or webinars and other things that we are going to post in the coming months. Yes, so I see a comment from evil around, you know, disrupt University to train micro surgeons and simulations. Active learning is our day to day job. And there's so much good conversations that we can have an active learning, especially with the combination of technology and active learning together, how we can scale active learning over the you know, so many people. If you're interested on that topic, I did a webinar yesterday with Steven kosslyn, who is one of the foremost experts in active learning. And we posted that video in our LinkedIn. So if you're interested, follow Yellowdig, LinkedIn, and you can probably see some of those videos there. I see a comment from Evo technology and methodology and mentorship. I love that framework. technology alone is not the solution. I think that's something I love to say always. We can be part of the solution. But we are never the full solution.

Brianna Bannach  37:51  
Shaunak, we do have five more minutes before Mark. So I'd love to ask you one question if you're if you're okay with that. Yes, sure. Awesome. So I sit here entrepreneurship. And so I always love hearing founder stories, would you be able to tell us a little bit about what went through your head as you were starting Yellowdig and those early days? And in a quick five minute nutshell?

Shaunak Roy - CEO, Yellowdig  38:15  
Yeah, so I love to answer that question, Bri. You know, the founder stories are always interesting, because one of the things I like to say is that being a founder is, is a tremendous exciting thing, because you get to build something meaningful over the years and build a team around it and build this amazing partnerships with people and create something new in the world. At the same time, it's also be it's also very important to be very interested and passionate in the topic, because it takes a long term time to build any business. It's for profit, nonprofit doesn't matter which sector it is in. I mean, we are all eight year now. So without that passion with other inspiration, it's very hard to be on that path. Because I can tell you, there are great days like this where there are tough days also as a as a entrepreneur, there are realities of running a business. So my story was, you know, about eight years back 2015 I was going through my regular corporate life, but I always wanted to be an entrepreneur and build something meaningful. So I am a passionate believer in technology and how technology can transform lives, you know, bad or good, and we can always debate. I mean, there is both sides of it. But I rather want to be the good side. And I'm also a huge nerd around learning and I love to see how people learn in a very authentic and human way. And, you know, my passion has been over the last seven or eight years is to try to merge those two fields, which is high quality technology and authentic learning how people learn and build products that can scale learning to millions of learners. That has been my passion and it's still there and we have a long way to go as you As we know, but the great thing that has happened is, we have an amazing team right now around us who are not only kind of committed to our cause, but also very passionate about making learning better for students. And that having that is I will say, is a great thing for us right now and kind of being in this position where you have our team and our partners who are working with us. So we have to answer your question, please. So it is possible. I mean, I started Yellowdig when I was I think 3536. So even if you're in your mid carrier, you have never build a company or builder initiative, it's always very much possible that all it takes is a, you know, I will say from my point of view, a passion and initiative to kind of get something building and be on that path for a long time.

Brianna Bannach  40:51  
Thank you, Shauank. I think that's a great note to wrap this, this opening on. We will be hopping on over to Mark Milliron's opening keynote. So all you have to do is click into the schedule and live sessions link, and then navigate to that. We'll be ending this one and hopping into that one. So don't get lost in cyberspace on the way over. If you have any questions for us, you can always reach out to marketing And we'll we'll help you navigate. Shaunak, any final words in the last 30 seconds?

Shaunak Roy - CEO, Yellowdig  41:25  
Well, I mean, have a great conference, have a wonderful two days and please talk to people please say hi to other people, and I hope you enjoy it. And by the way, there's also feedback form so if you think we can improve in certain areas, please go and share your feedback with us.

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